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Title: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Mojo on February 28, 2016, 07:20:26 PM
Attached are my thoughts and the idea

Mojo
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Alex Karaczun on February 29, 2016, 11:38:59 AM
I don't disagree with what you are saying. Here are my thoughts.

I think Andrew is doing some pretty good things already here. Getting OSR publishers to call OSRGaming.org their forum home is a great step. Mischief, Inc. is doing some web redesign, and OSRGaming.org will be linked through our forum links on our Main web site, our blog, our storefront and possibly a wiki. It would be great to see the other publishers here making the same changes/commitment.

I think leveraging social media is a great idea. If OSRGaming.org does not already have a Facebook and Google+ page, and Twitter account Andrew should add those as soon as he can. Posts and tweets to those accounts would link back to interesting posts here on the forums. At the very least, as soon as you make those posts/tweets, there will be dozens of spider bots crawling all over these forums which should add to search engine visibility. Make sure you hashtag #DnD and the DnD Twitter account will almost certainly re-tweet your tweet.

Good old fashioned footwork cannot be replaced anything else though. Members here should get the word out and try to get members of their gaming groups to join up here. If you game at a brick and mortar store with open tables, talk to the other groups playing. If they have an interest in old school play style, write down the address for them.

Also I think there needs to be a file repository for free content. I think that's what the Downloads link above is supposed to be for, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to upload anything. Mischief, Inc. has a free product we would upload, and two more on the way this year.

Finally wrapping back to the publisher angle. Engage the publishers on OSRGaming.org. Don't let us just hang back and make advertisement posts when we have a Kickstarter coming up, or when we have a sale. Become patrons of our products and when you have questions about something you see in those products, ask questions. Even if you are an old grizzled Dungeon Master who is just going to make something up to fill a gap, or parse some awkward wording on your own, ask anyway. You might be helping someone else down the road who will read those posts and think, "I'm glad I came to OSRGaming.org."

Oh and talk up the atmosphere here. There are other, bigger forums with lots of game design celebrities in residence. Most of them are full of nasty, rude people. OSRGaming.org is different. We're nice and polite. Let EVERYONE know that!
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Professor thork on February 29, 2016, 11:58:23 AM
At the risk of  suffering the Angry Villager Rule my suggestion would be to include/incorporate within the forum something unique; something not seen/ or found in any other.

Idea: if someone is working on a campaign-world, and needed to run play tests of locations, classes, monsters, etc., members and visitors could join, create a character, and become regularly involved in the experiment.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Alex Karaczun on February 29, 2016, 01:34:21 PM
I've also talked with Andrew about allowing PbP games in their own section. Maegnarval and others were running these on our forums before we shut them down. Seems like a good way to keep activity levels up and occasionally draw new members who are recruited for the PbP games elsewhere.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Mojo on February 29, 2016, 02:05:24 PM
I see that we are of the same mind Kalex. I know that the group of active giys and gals we have here if we work together can make this even more special than it already is.

mojo
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Serian on March 01, 2016, 05:34:36 PM
I have previously offered to provide IRC based services in support of the forum community, but have never received a reply, good, bad, or indifferent.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: mutazoid on March 02, 2016, 06:21:42 AM
Growing the forums...tough topic.  We are in a small niche community and Im not sure what this forum does better than others.  I joined because of the d20radio podcasts.

I think one big thing that should be done is incorporate otherwise to sign up.
Such as sign up via FB or G+ sign in.  Ease of signing up is very important.

I propose putting this question a pinned topic and we might learn something interesting.

What makes the OSRGaming Forums Unique and What do we need here.

 
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Professor thork on March 02, 2016, 11:12:46 AM
Expanding on my previous point:

I've always wished that there was a forum (of like minded folk) that supported a live-chat w/audio on going campaign where DM duties included some notable community celebs (kind of like what C. Perkins does for 5E), that included published materials and coming-and-going players. A Living campaign, that was up and running 1-3-5 nights per week/month.

Don't know if such is feasible, but it would certainly be...unique (I think!)
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Mojo on March 04, 2016, 11:04:57 PM
Expanding on my previous point:

I've always wished that there was a forum (of like minded folk) that supported a live-chat w/audio on going campaign where DM duties included some notable community celebs (kind of like what C. Perkins does for 5E), that included published materials and coming-and-going players. A Living campaign, that was up and running 1-3-5 nights per week/month.

Don't know if such is feasible, but it would certainly be...unique (I think!)

That is a great idea. But would it have to be published adventures? Could it also be homebrewed adventures? It would take some serious planning to put together who DM's on which night and to have back up DM's just in case. But I really like that idea. Maybe have one night be ODD, one night be 1st ed another nigh be 2nd ed, another night be BFRPG so forth and so on that way no only would the original old school games get attention but even the clones and possibly some of the newer games that have the old school spirit also get some game time in too.

That would raise awareness of the hobby & the forums. But as I said it would take some serious planning.

Mojo
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Dizzy on March 11, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have been following this topic since Mojo started it, but have been caught up in my new job to be able to post much lately. Guys in my campaign have experienced this as my games have even been on a depressing hiatus essentially.

I like the ideas presented. I'm working on incorporating as many of them as I can. We have just added in the Play-by-post section today, with Kalex's awesomely suggested character sheet ability.

Serian, I apologize, I must have missed that message. We have a chat system in place, but I suppose it is more of a 1-on-1 messenger and not a chat room. I'm certainly interested in what can be done in that regard. We'll hopefully get in touch on that!

I'm also interested in the on-going campaign. Kind of like an old Flailsnail? Question is, who would be able to run something so regularly. I know I could commit to something more like that during the summers when my schedule is lighter.

We do have a facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/455528411142139/ Twitter: @OSRGamingForums I'm not honestly sure what to do for a G+. Just a community or its own page?

I've added a downloads section, and think I have the permissions figured out. However I'll need you guys to test it out. Let me know if there are issues. Mods and Admins will need to make sure everything is above board.

Thank you for all of the support guys!
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Serian on March 11, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
Serian, I apologize, I must have missed that message.

No problems. This can happen on occasion.

Quote from: DizzySaxophone
We have a chat system in place, but I suppose it is more of a 1-on-1 messenger and not a chat room.

In my experience, forum based chat modules can be cumbersome and difficult for the users to keep track of ongoing activity. :-P

Quote from: DizzySaxophone
I'm certainly interested in what can be done in that regard. We'll hopefully get in touch on that!

Prod me either here or via email when you get a chance. 
We use a custom ircd that supports gaming in general, and also has D&D specific features, so this may be helpful as an additional venue for game play.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Maegnarval on March 11, 2016, 10:10:59 PM
You can set up a chat room on IRC, using Mirc !

Chat Server:
irc.chat-solutions.org

Port: 6667

Then create a chat room such as:
#osrgaming.org

You can then create a bot that keeps the room permanantly open !
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Serian on March 21, 2016, 07:54:05 PM
On “Growing the Forums”


Perhaps the question to evaluate is “Does the entity “OSR Gaming” have a defined purpose for the gaming community?”

So far, it has some forums, and a plug for some podcasts (which have been given top spot in those forums), but in order to become more alive and successful, I think it really needs something more. There are numerous D&D forums out there, so in order to thrive, such a site needs to be uniquely useful in some way.

I would recommend the following concepts for evaluation, and if they fit in your vision of what “OSR Gaming” is supposed to be, incorporating them.

- What is the target goal of osrgaming.org? Is it just a forum where the same people post about the same things until they run out of things to rehash? What else can be added to the site to make it more broadly useful/interesting? What is the affiliation with WGP? Is it a house organ? An independent entity that promotes the WGP podcasts? Something else entirely?

- Consider multiple venues of interaction. Put osrgaming.org on a VPS and give it more substance. In addition to the forums ...

- A repository for game-related materials; free stuff created by the community for the community. Give that it’s own page. Sometimes people don’t like to dig through gigabytes of forum posts to find that one pdf they are looking for. Include links to other sites that have cool stuff.

- Give osrgaming its own presence on facebook and google+. Occasionally share interesting posts to those locations. Maybe create a blog page as well.

- Set up a page for roll20, google hangouts, IRC, and PbP info/links/etc. to give players options for playing online. Use IRC for continuously available real time chat. Maybe consider a page for offline meetup and conventions.

- Give podcasts their own page. If osrgaming isn’t [owned by|exclusive affiliate of] WGP, include links to other podcasts of a relevant nature.

- OSR sites that don’t have stuff that OSR Gaming has? Invite them to use your stuff!

Just some thoughts and opinions. Use them, delete them, sell them to the highest bidder, etc. as you see fit.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Dizzy on March 21, 2016, 08:29:50 PM
Thanks for sharing this with everyone Serian. I got your PM and e-mail last night. Some of these are being worked on or already done.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Serian on March 21, 2016, 09:21:05 PM
If you are interested in an IRC presence, I have set up a preliminary channel (and will transfer ownership).  Having the ability for real-time discussions might be valuable.

irc://irc.argentcitadel.net/
channel #OSRGaming


Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Professor thork on March 22, 2016, 01:29:42 AM
@ Andy--

I would be willing to run a once/week game. (I haven't been to Roll20 in months so I'd have to reacquaint myself with it; skype would be useful.)
But only if 1 or 2 others will commit to it as well; I'd like to play, sometimes.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: bbarsh on March 28, 2016, 08:07:40 PM
For what its worth, I'll add a link in our newsletter. I think we are up to about 1,500 recipients. Not all are OSR gamers (along with publishing we now sell miniatures), but it can't hurt.
Is there a section to upload free products here? I'd certainly load up a couple and point people this way.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Angry Monk on March 29, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
I would be interested in running one-offs of certain modules. I keep thinking about running a Tomb of Horrors with BFRPG rules (don't know if it can be done). I ran Glory Hole Dwarven Mine with the SoD crew and Doc Mindwipe. I had fun. I wouldn't mind trying doing other JG modules with pregens and BX or BFRPG rules. I've got a few house rules I'd like to test out, too. I'd do it on Roll20 and Skype.

I also have Barrowmaze all set and ready, but that would be a loooong campaign.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Angry Monk on November 04, 2016, 05:27:38 AM
Not sure I understand the question.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Rafael Beltrame on June 26, 2017, 08:45:50 AM
and the sad thing is, the foruns are pretty much dead, right?
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: angelicdoctor on June 26, 2017, 09:43:50 AM
and the sad thing is, the foruns are pretty much dead, right?

Are they?  I've just returned to the forums after a long hiatus.  I hope that we can continue to discuss the hobby with some regularity and sustained interest.  The podcasts are what should be keeping this going.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Rafael Beltrame on June 26, 2017, 06:44:45 PM
and the sad thing is, the foruns are pretty much dead, right?

Are they?  I've just returned to the forums after a long hiatus.  I hope that we can continue to discuss the hobby with some regularity and sustained interest.  The podcasts are what should be keeping this going.


i dont know, i mean, i look here, and it seems that no one talks, hehe.
i got here because i was loving the old Save or Die podcast, and went to some save for half ones. now im here, but i dont see much talk
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Dizzy on June 27, 2017, 12:45:02 AM
Discussion comes in waves. There'll he quite a bit every few days. It is definitely down from our prime, but forums in general are dying. The wipe last year certainly didn't help.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: angelicdoctor on June 27, 2017, 07:47:21 AM
Discussion comes in waves. There'll he quite a bit every few days. It is definitely down from our prime, but forums in general are dying. The wipe last year certainly didn't help.

Yeah, I suppose that with the advent of social media sites such as G+ and fb, neither of which I participate in thank you very much, forums have taken a hit.  I guess even with this I'm a bit old school.  I prefer forums over those other offerings.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: DMMike on June 27, 2017, 11:21:37 AM
Discussion comes in waves. There'll he quite a bit every few days. It is definitely down from our prime, but forums in general are dying. The wipe last year certainly didn't help.

Yeah, I suppose that with the advent of social media sites such as G+ and fb, neither of which I participate in thank you very much, forums have taken a hit.  I guess even with this I'm a bit old school.  I prefer forums over those other offerings.
+1... I work online, so I spend enough time on the computer just doing my job and writing. If I added FB or G+, I'd never get anything done. I see how much time of Liz's goes away into the FB trap, and no thanks!

Pity about forums though, but I agree. All the forums I participate in have gone down in post frequency; even dragonsfoot. :(

DM (Good at time management?) Mike

Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: longfoot on June 27, 2017, 01:48:39 PM
Part of it could be that the podcasts aren't posted much anymore.
These things run their course over the years, but for the most part, the podcasting isn't what it used to be.
It was good in it's hey-day.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: DMMike on June 27, 2017, 02:42:40 PM
Part of it could be that the podcasts aren't posted much anymore.
These things run their course over the years, but for the most part, the podcasting isn't what it used to be.
It was good in it's hey-day.

Hey, I still post Save for Half stuff regularly! ;)

DM (Good at notifying, now if anyone's actually reading...?) Mike

Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: outlander78 on June 28, 2017, 04:56:09 AM
I remain a SOD/SFH fan.

It may be that we have mostly exhausted D&D topics.  It has been 20+ years since TSR published something I wanted to read!

I also avoid Facebook etc.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Mojo on June 29, 2017, 02:36:40 PM
I remain a SOD/SFH fan.

It may be that we have mostly exhausted D&D topics.  It has been 20+ years since TSR published something I wanted to read!

I also avoid Facebook etc.

I too am a SOD/SFH fan, as well as Thacco's Hammer, & RFI. I can see how folks can think all topics have been covered, but there is an aspect to gaming that seems to always be overlooked. Adventure design & for those looking to publish new "Old School" adventures lay out. We as a gaming community must not discount the new adventures being published by avid fans of our hobby. An adventure does not have to be from the old TSR to be worth reading. When talking about a topic bring in special hosts or guests that can bring a different view or can go more in depth.
Remember people new to the hobby that have no knowledge or as much knowledge as the hosts listening.

Also maybe it is time to breath new life & blood into some of the podcasts. Meaning bring a fresh & new perspective to not only the hobby, but topics already discussed. Bring excitement back to the podcasts, give the next generation a voice in our hobby.

I know life throws things in the way of release time & recording time for the podcasts. I am not worried about that. What does bother me is the "Been there done that, tired of that" bored sound in some of the announcers' voices. Some sound like they would rather be doing anything other than talking about a hobby that in theory they love.

I do not avoid facebook. I just am not on it that much as getting the final edit of my game design & my disability keep me very occupied. This forum has the potential to be greater than it is or was in the recent past. It is up to us the members of the forum to make it so.
That's my 2 cents worth. Now let me have it with both barrels lol.

mojo
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: DMMike on June 29, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
Good points Mojo, though I must say there's still tons of product out there that was published for Classic D&D that haven't been covered. Yet the new material is what most people seem to want reviewed. Besides, Gazeteers are a minefield! :lol:

I've heard a rumor that RFI has been cancelled, but haven't seen any official statements therof. Still there's stuff for 1E (or new 1E friendly/OSRIC work) that could still be covered. I don't listen to TH, lack of time alas so I can't comment there. :(

What strikes me the most is this: Is this forum about the podcasts, or about gaming? If the former, I don't think things will go on much longer; there's lots more conversations about podcasts on FB. Or so I'm told, as I don't go over there. If its about gaming, then maybe we can all strive to get more conversations going in the areas that interest us. For ex: I'm willing to talk a lot about Classic D&D, a bit about 1E, and not much at all about 2E. 5E? Maybe as I'm dipping my toe into it. ;)

DM (Good at Anti-Social Media" Mike

Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Vile on July 02, 2017, 03:29:35 AM
I think there is increasing interest in the "new" OSR adventures simply because much of the official material is so well known, even if it hasn't all been reviewed. The OSR material, on the other hand, is now such a huge body of work and has been around for so long, that it can't really be called "new" anymore. Just look at all the stuff on Dragonsfoot, for example. There are also some which are clearly modern classics, but which are not that well-known outside the circle of their owners.

Er, yes, I'd like some OSR adventure reviews, please! ;)

As for the forums, this is the second major breakdown they've had and the formerly fairly tight family of WGP podcasts seems to be drifting apart, so it's no surprise they are struggling. What differentiated them from Dragonsfoot and the OD&D Discussion forums, at least in my mind, was the podcasts and the openness to all editions.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Pladohs Ghost on January 28, 2018, 03:37:31 AM

Yeah, I suppose that with the advent of social media sites such as G+ and fb, neither of which I participate in thank you very much, forums have taken a hit.  I guess even with this I'm a bit old school.  I prefer forums over those other offerings.

I'm with you. I'd rather have a dedicated forum than anything on FB or G+. I discuss game design on reddit and rpgnet, though I find it of limited use due to the scarcity of old school designers and players.

I signed onto the discord server the other night. Still haven't spend any time there to figure out if it'll be interesting. Am already annoyed that I can't find a way to stop getting emails about missing comments and such.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: outlander78 on January 28, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
Discord isn't for me.  I bet it would be a great collaboration tool for my development work, but I like forums for hobby chats.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Mojo on January 30, 2018, 03:31:03 PM
The problem with discord & other sites like it is that there never seems to be anybody on to talk with. Which is a shame because I am looking for help in a project. I put word out on the facebook, discord (different groups), g+ & others only to be ignored. It is frustrating to ask for help & not get any replies. This is also strange to me because not too long ago folks helped each other out.

Anyway that's my 2cents worth. I wonder when my project is ready for money to start going out to artists, lay out designers, & editors if I will still feel alone like I am talking to a wall?
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: GrimDM on January 30, 2018, 06:54:06 PM
Obviously I am new here, but forums in general for lots of different hobbies etc are struggling. RPG communities seem to easily splinter as well so only the forums with a large user based like Dragonsfoot seem to be able to whether the storm a bit better.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Pladohs Ghost on February 04, 2018, 06:34:40 PM
The problem with discord & other sites like it is that there never seems to be anybody on to talk with. Which is a shame because I am looking for help in a project. I put word out on the facebook, discord (different groups), g+ & others only to be ignored. It is frustrating to ask for help & not get any replies. This is also strange to me because not too long ago folks helped each other out.

Start a thread on the community creations board and I'll show up to discuss things.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: mutazoid on April 18, 2018, 12:14:19 AM
Really need to fix the log in page.   I cant log in using the top left option which is the first option you get.  When that doesnt work I best most people just say the site isnt working and move on.

Another idea is see if you can a shout out from Libram of the DM.

Good luck ;)
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: LordXenophon on April 18, 2018, 10:32:10 AM
You need a better capcha type. This one is nearly impossible to pass, unless you are a computer.

Besides, Dave Arneson had no sons, so I don't know what to put in that blank.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Angry Monk on December 27, 2018, 09:15:06 AM
With the impending death of G+, I figured forums like this would pick up again. Where has everyone gone?
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Dizzy on January 01, 2019, 01:33:24 AM
Lots of people have moved to Mewe, Facebook, and Discord for discussions. All forums are slowly on the way out sadly. The WGP discord is fairly active. Should be a link to join the discord on the homepage, or I'd be willing to send anyone an invite.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: sgtslag on January 04, 2019, 10:28:15 AM
I passionately HATE forums like FaceBook...  It is designed to virtually force you to visit it multiple times each day, to avoid losing a conversation/topic, as it scrolls down the page as new topics are posted...  I can't stand such a crappy approach to try to force participants to log into their site slavishly.  Forums are the only thing I will utilize.  I refuse to become a zombie-slave to FB, or any other social media machine.  YMMV.  Cheers!   ;D
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: DMMike on January 05, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
Agreed, I let my wife Liz do the FB thing but I avoid as much as possible. I never got twitter; my life just isn't that interesting and I refuse to post about what sandwich I had for lunch or other exciting activities. :P

While I know forums are on their way out I will stick with them until the very end! ;)

DM (Good at remaining a grognard, even about social media!) Mike
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Angry Monk on January 09, 2019, 01:37:53 PM
I with you guys on the FB thing. I dropped it, but I've jumped back on. I used it for talking to "muggles" but used G+ for my gaming connections. Now I'm using Twitter for my gaming connections. But nothing satisfies like a forum.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: DocMindwipe on February 24, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
Agreed, I let my wife Liz do the FB thing but I avoid as much as possible. I never got twitter; my life just isn't that interesting and I refuse to post about what sandwich I had for lunch or other exciting activities. :P

While I know forums are on their way out I will stick with them until the very end! ;)

DM (Good at remaining a grognard, even about social media!) Mike
I always loved hearing about your ham&cheese sandwich, though.... why do you rob me of my entertainment? :p
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Lord Nikon on April 09, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
that's because we've all moved to discord, faster response with text chat, and it has voice channels if you wanna talk.
Title: Re: How to grow the Forums
Post by: Loma on April 12, 2019, 09:22:07 PM
We could post more serious content, such as AuldDragon's Monster Mythology Update Project, then promote it. People would come to read this stuff, if they knew it was here.