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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2017, 10:20:36 AM »
Right... I've had the book (NeXT DMG) in me hands and skimmed through it for a couple of days now.... It's a really nice book, and does a very good job of trying to help me run a game. I'm disappointed though... it doesn't give me any imagination, I have to find that somewhere else... :P

So, you have had it for a month now.  Thoughts?
I have many thoughts, not all of them good..... or even about gaming.... :P

No for real... I like the DMG a lot, it's a good book that (tries to) explain world building, campaign  and adventure design to suit me and my players, it gives some thoughts about using pantheons, both real world mythology, existing fantasy (ala Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Et.al.) or creating new ones from scratch.... and tips and thoughs on running the game so that all the players (and their characters) have a chance to shine.

Overall, the NeXT DMG is one of the better ones I've seen, IMO it is far better than any previous attempts from WotC, better than 2nd Ed, and only slightly behind 1st Ed in the way it is worded. Not quite "the Gygax prose" but it doesn't read like a school txt book either (like 2nd ed does)

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2017, 01:25:32 PM »
That seems to be the sentiment amongst many old schoolers it seems.  Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2017, 08:01:35 AM »
You're welcome.

I might have go at reviewing the Rules Cyclophobia next..... :P

But, yeah... NeXT seems very good, though the combat system still makes me head hurt. A LOT! BUT, then again, I've not actually tried it in a game, so i'm not gonna dizz it just yet. But reading it seems... awkward... and backwards. Nevermind the AC going the wrong way, that's workable... but it is the bonuses and level stuff (at 20th level you still have the equivalent of THACZero 12 as a Fighter?????) that seems very... weird and un-logical.

But, time will tell. I'll get a group together again at some point.

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2017, 01:29:00 PM »
Not really, by level 20, your proficiency bonus is +6 and you ought to have a strength of 20 by then for a +5 to hit. So you should be rolling with at least +11, more if you've magically upped your stats or have magical weapons. Thats a THAC0 of 9 I believe.

There aren't nearly as many +/- in 5e as 3 or 4. Numbers are much more reasonable.

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2017, 04:14:42 PM »
Also keep in mind that ACs are typically lower than previous editions as well.

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2017, 07:51:40 AM »
Also keep in mind that ACs are typically lower than previous editions as well.
Yeah, AC21 is a big deal most of the time. Usually we struggle to get up to 20. Magic items are generally limited.

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2017, 01:32:33 PM »
Soooooo... I played my very first session of NeXT yesterday.

The game is to take place every Thursday at the FLGS (Which also serves fresh coffee and some other (mostly baked) snacks to gamers) and I have to say, I had a blast. The DM and the other players are in the 30-50year range, most in their 40s I would guess, so we're all experienced with the concept, though some (me) not with the current set of rules, of RolePlaying. As I said, i had a blast. most all tried to provide opportunities for the others to shine at various points during the session, and I have to say I had some serious luck in my combat rolls... I had two bandits on me, both missed... I shot lucky with the shortsword and killed them off in three combat rounds.... I was just lucky. I bet next time, Sylja will die from exposure.... or bad dierolling.... ;)

Anyway.

Just as a testrun, I had rolled up 5 sets of abilities and written them on a piece of paper, I selected one of them with fairly midrange results (ranging from 8 to 13) and I showed this to the DM as an example of how I like my characters... not "suerpowered" but not "hopeless" either, but I think an interesting character to play, should have at least one below-average acore, and one, maybe two above average. As I said this, he said.... "You enjoy playing a fairly "normal" character? Great. We'll help you get her ready, it's not as hard as you might think, try to think how you would do it in... did you say 2nd Ed? It's quite similar, we'll help with the differencies"

And yes, I got some fabulous help with getting my first character into play (Of course, it's a female Thief... err, Rogue, my favourite ;) )

As for the game, it is set in Forgotten Realms, north of Dragonmere and Wyvernwater (for those who are familiar with the Realms). We were not really hired by the town guards, but they didn't forbid us either, to go after some bandits that had been harassing the area for quite some while. We got as far as killing 4 bandits and a dog, before we had to go for the evening.

i'm positively surprised at how easy and fast combat is flowing, it was good fun and I look forward to next week

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2017, 08:44:10 AM »
Awesome Doc! Glad you had a good time. I really have enjoyed 5e, but I still feel very pulled to OSR versions of the game.  Hope the game keeps going and you continue to enjoy it! I really think you'd also like playing a bard!

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 02:20:48 PM »
Well, Thursday will be the 8th session, gametime has ben about 5 days of playing. We have all reached 3rd level, I have a Rogue2/Fighter1 character. I choose one level in Fighter for the Archer-specialisation, to boost my ToHit up to +6 with Ranged weapons (Longbow is her weapon of choice). It also allows her to use Medium types armor, though with care this does not impede on her Stealth abilities..

One thing that is VERY different from what I'm used to, is how tactical the character advancement seems to be. If you take a level in this class it gives you such and such bonus to so and so... In my case, adding a Fighter level, gives a +2 bonus to Ranged weapons.....

Not sure I'm in love with that particular aspect of the edition, although it's not a gamebreaker. Just so used to the idea that if I start to play a Thief, I play a Thief. Not a fighter. Not a magic-user. Not a Cleric. I play a Thief.

OTOH, that is mechanical fluff. for the actual game I have fun. It seems the other 5 guys have fun as well together with me, so it is all good.

OH!!!

And I got meself a ne set of dice the other day!!!!



No dice were hurt in the typing of this post

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2017, 12:53:29 PM »
Loving 5e, I love that I can change rules to mimic a 1e game, and it doesn't destroy the game.
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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2017, 06:26:45 PM »
I am quite enjoying 5e as well. As much fun as I had playing BX and 1e, 5e is the game I really wanted to be playing (I just didn't know it). :)

I do love converting old BX and 1e modules for 5e. Although I am just starting my first 5e AP (atomb of Annihilation).

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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2017, 06:07:45 AM »
I am quite enjoying 5e as well. As much fun as I had playing BX and 1e, 5e is the game I really wanted to be playing (I just didn't know it). :)

I do love converting old BX and 1e modules for 5e. Although I am just starting my first 5e AP (atomb of Annihilation).

The only thing I can't stand about 5e is the amount of power gamers and munchkins its drawing in, along with the people who sit and watch those stupid twitch streams and expect the group they are walking into, will be as exciting and magical as a bunch of voice actors having fun, hamming it up for the camera and when its not, shit on the DM, then leave. (saw this happen twice to a few people at my local shop)

Plus the money grab attempts WOTC is doing...
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Re: Biting the sour apple
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2017, 12:30:02 PM »
Well... those wa**ers has no place at the gaming table in the first place. I play D&D (or other systems) to have a good time and make a shared story of heroic deeds and feel the fun when we win a fight, and also the frustration when the dice gods are against me. That is just as it is, some nights I seem unable to roll high numbers, other nights I only roll high. (With the same dice)

But I'm having fun even when the dice are rolling bad... and the other players and the DM has said they enjoy seeing my roleplay the bad rolls, so... I don't care. It's all part of the whole