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B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« on: August 25, 2017, 10:33:37 PM »
I had a thought tonight that was inspired by a dragonsfoot post. Basic/Expert D&D has no elf or dwarf clerics, so the DF thread was designed to come up with some. Fine if you want to do that. But...

It occurred to me, why do potions of healing work on everyone, even non believers, if they are made by human clerics? Scrolls fall into that too, but my thought was this. Elves, being magic, don't have clerics. Instead they get their healing by doing some fay-magick rites involving tree sap, odd fruits, and what not...to create potions of healing. Like elven chain mail, they would be uncommon but not impossible to come across. Also, like the latter anyone can use them as they aren't tied to a specific pantheon.

Thus, as far as healing goes, no need for elven clerics. Dwarves, they will require a bit more thought. Hmmm.

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 08:14:30 AM »
For B/X I might give elves a different spell list. Base is on the druid spell list drop in a cure light at most. Mostly to give the elven magic a different flavor and feel. After all why would elven magic be the same as what humans learn. This would make it more fae then adding on to your idea on how they make their healing magic work. So it seems a more nature-fey sort of alien magic to the way humans create healing potions. I prefer the dwarves,elves and halflings not worshipping gods and leave that as a peculiarity left to humans.

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 12:05:49 PM »
That's certainly a different way to go, and I agree it would make elves less MU-light's. However, that would involve using either OD&D, AD&D, or BECMI; notably the "C" for the Druidic stuff. What about those poor schlubs (like me) who want to stick to B/Ex only? :)

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2017, 04:28:49 PM »
If working with just B/X only then building elven healing magic/arts would be the way to go. What about swapping some spells out with cleric. Say get rid of magic missile and replace it with cure light wounds (I know blasphemy!) that still leaves sleep and charm person for offensive. And possibly grant Cure Disease to the elf list but make it fourth or fifth level for the elf.

This give the elf a magical cure and an in game justification for elven magic that only elves can use.  I also might re skin fireball to something less destructive to a forest where elves live something like:

Teeth of the Forest      Range 240'
                                 Duration Instantaneous
The caster tosses a handful of brambles towards the intended target. The missile magically flies toward the area that bursts into a ball of iron hard thorns when it strikes the target. The brambles will do 1-6 (1d6) points of damage per level of the caster to a creature within the sphere.

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2017, 05:11:54 PM »
I just see demi-humans as not really fitting the cleric class; probably due to its inherent proto-Catholic baseline. <shrug>

Any of these could work, and I do especially like that Teeth of the Forest variant. It could also work like a B/Ex version of Evard's Black Tentacles as well.

I guess I'm looking at a in-game explanation that doesn't fiddle too much with the base rules. Giving an elf CLW would cheapen the cleric wouldn't it? Especially since unlike the cleric the elf gets his spell at first level!

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2017, 08:26:44 PM »
True maybe you could move the CLW up on the elf spell list make it second level for an elf. This way the elf can cast it at level 4. Now clerics not getting spells until level 2 I like players always get their feathers ruffled. I explain it this way first most of the lands clerics don't adventure they run churches, tend to the needy etc.. Very few actually get past first level, those that do go out into the world and test their faith taking on dangers so that others don't have to. When a clerics deity sees this he rewards this courage through the ability to call down miracles i.e. cast spells.

Spell casting clerics are the exception not the rule.

But back to the elf if you don't want to add a spell to the elf list you could give the elf a "herbalist" ability they can brew a non magical herbal cure -- say one day to gather necessary herbs and another day to brew. And to prevent it from turning into a potion factory say the potion only has a shelf life of one week. After that it spoils and is no good. This way the elf can prep a few short term potions for a party but not flood the market with easy make potions.

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2017, 10:53:18 AM »
That could work, not to mention have that elf going into the woods for days to get said ingredients. Regarding players and clerics, I do try to point out that 1st level clerics still have turn undead...which is nothing to sneeze at. Then again, my games tend to be undead-heavy so its probably more useful in my games. :)

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 10:47:27 AM »
On a sort of tangent, I've always felt that the cleric spell list was more appropriate for B/X elves. Nothing else changes, just the spells.

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Re: B/Ex Elf non-clerical healing
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2017, 08:58:27 PM »
So, are you saying that clerics should go away? Or is it that Elves become Ftr/Clr (without turning) instead of Ftr/MUs?

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